tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post4026242698215751492..comments2023-08-29T05:36:46.228-06:00Comments on cyber spirit cafe: Looking for direction on Higgins Road: A follow-upDoug Kingshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12830571125611956474noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-25370990519883249592010-10-13T22:49:06.455-06:002010-10-13T22:49:06.455-06:00I'm in my early 50's and I _just barely_ k...I'm in my early 50's and I _just barely_ know who Jack Benny is.Michael_SChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14179192580620356545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-25533560636113470782010-10-12T21:09:34.046-06:002010-10-12T21:09:34.046-06:00Oh, Bob, I know they would. My point was the state...Oh, Bob, I know they would. My point was the statement it makes about who we think we're communicating with. Certainly most people under 30 wouldn't get or care about the reference, and you could probably go quite a bit higher in age than that. Plus, I just thought it was a very odd choice for the cover. Also, I agree with you, the church is definitely being taken on a cultural ride--it isn't doing the steering.Doug Kingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12830571125611956474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-32162756273301371212010-10-12T18:10:34.324-06:002010-10-12T18:10:34.324-06:00Doug,
First of all, many in the graying ELCA woul...Doug,<br /><br />First of all, many in the graying ELCA <i>would</i> recognize Jack Benny. But, it is still an anachronistic cultural reference. A number of people I've talked to about it read it one way...the church is out of touch with where people are.<br /><br />I appreciate your comment suggesting what Bishop Hanson could have said. You're spot on that what we've been doing hasn't worked for years. Asking these big tough questions could be our best missional opportunity in generations, <i>if</i> the ELCA can let go of the initial assumption that wherever we're going, it will be familiar and we can control it.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13756603962925894681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-53192887715899852010-10-12T11:43:29.404-06:002010-10-12T11:43:29.404-06:00Thanks Erik. I've also had some interaction wi...Thanks Erik. I've also had some interaction with Daniel Lehmann. My impression is that he is pretty frustrated, especially with criticism from clergy-types like me, and I get that. Like many others he has an impossible job. The Lutheran's problems are simply reflective of the problems of the wider church. Frankly, I doubt it will be around for much longer.Doug Kingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12830571125611956474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-9985824538348093232010-10-11T22:56:52.135-06:002010-10-11T22:56:52.135-06:00Good stuff, Doug - especially your postscript abou...Good stuff, Doug - especially your postscript about The Lutheran. I made a similar statement on my blog last week...and editor Daniel Lehmann posted a comment articulating the reasoning behind the use of the Jack Benny cover. Though I am still critical of the choice, it was interesting to hear his thought process.Erik Ullestadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107051442323025127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-39712650990954941342010-10-11T19:11:56.911-06:002010-10-11T19:11:56.911-06:00On Facebook Phil asked:
In light of your recent p...On Facebook Phil asked: <br /><i>In light of your recent posts: What do you think Bishop Hanson should have said? What do you think the ELCA should be doing now?</i><br /><br />Perfectly good question and one that probably deserves a full post in reply. What I said for now is:<br /> <i>I would say one thing needed is a new level of honesty. Why not admit that we don't know where we're headed? that what we've been doing hasn't been working FOR YEARS? that we really have no clear mission or identity? that it's time to ask some big, tough questions about church and mission in 21st century USA? that when the ELCA was formed people said it was an experiment and now we have to admit it basically has failed--so now what? (gulp) There's a start...</i>Doug Kingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12830571125611956474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-62651028766865091062010-10-11T19:05:00.089-06:002010-10-11T19:05:00.089-06:00Thank you, David. LOLThank you, David. LOLDoug Kingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12830571125611956474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7349070.post-43214480397455497372010-10-11T18:29:01.625-06:002010-10-11T18:29:01.625-06:00I do, he was a violin player.I do, he was a violin player.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16496392728357471483noreply@blogger.com